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we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. >>> president said it best this morning when he outlined the approach to the bombing, which so far seems to be the approach most people are taking. >> we will find whoever harmed our citizens and we will bring them to swrus tis. we also know this. the american people refuse to be terrorized. because what the world saw yesterday and the aftermath of the explosions were stories of heroism and kindness and generosity and love. >> that phrase, refuse to be terrorized, caught me because last night, i read this. when we refuse to be terrorized, the terrorists fail even if their attacks succeed. attacks like yesterday's are extremely rare here
we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. >>> president said it best this morning when he...
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we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] straight from red lobster's chefs to your table for a limited time! it's our seafood dinner for two for just 25 dollars! a handcrafted seafood feast made to share. first you each get salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. then choose two from a wide variety of chef-inspired entrées like our new honey garlic crispy shrimp or new seafood lover's linguini. round out your seafood dinner with your choice of either an appetizer or dessert to share! don't miss our seafood dinner for two, just $25 at red lobster, where we sea food differently. all stations come over todinner mithis is for real this time. step seven point
we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 u years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] straight from red lobster's chefs to...
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we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of "multivitamin" and "multiple choice," come to walgreens for help finding the one that's right for you... like centrum. now, get four dollars off select centrum products with balance rewards card. at the corner of happy and healthy. for over 30 years. and it's now the most doctor recommended, the most preferred and the most studied. so when it comes to getting the most out of your multivitamin, the choice is clear. centrum. the choice is clear. but i see a world bursting with opportunity,ople nervous. with ideas, with ambition. i'm thinking about china, brazil, india. the world's a big place.
we don't have some special carve out in the law for foreigners. our laws are our laws. and yet 12 years after the horrors of 9/11, we created a new special carved out area of law. we have a republican rushing to repeat the same mistakes, to place the perpetrators outside of our normal league system. susan collins should take the time to read the report. it is a useful, timely reminder of how not to react to mayhem. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of...
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and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali sufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of the suspected bomber in boston today with him being read his rights, being advised he has the right to remain silent, as a former high level fbi interrogator, how does that sound to you? >> it sounds great. that's exactly how we should deal with these individuals. there is nothing special about them. they committed a crime, and they need to be punished for that crime. and this system, our federal system is one of the best systems in dealing with al qaeda, in dealing with terrorism. i'll give you an example. since 9/11 until today, we had probably about more than 165, 170 cases of te
and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali sufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of...
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when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. >>> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was of course, white house spokesman jay carney short by before 1:00 p.m. today making clear the boston suspect will
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this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech. this goes beyond that. it crosses the line into illegal activity under the freedom of access to clinic entrances law. this is a threat. the law says you can't use violence and you cannot use the threat of violence. >> right. >> in an effort to stop the provision of abortion services. >> now, david leach was questioned by the des moines register and he was asked to clarify his statements. here's what he said. he says, opening that same building again is a provocation. it's designed to enrage people. it's not something tha
this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech....
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you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up. >> when you look at their psychology, you talked just now about the distinction between individuals prepared to lay bombs then ratcheting that up to actually strapping a vest on with an explosive. what about the distinction between a willingness to kill ordinary members of the public then actually murder police officers? because we know that a police officer at m.i.t. was murdered last night and they shot at another and he's currently in hospital. >> right. last night they were just in such a mode of escape and mission and suicide that who knows what they were going to do. they didn't even know what they were
you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up....
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the policy is being delayed so passengers, advocates and law enforcement experts can weigh in. the tsa plan to allow knives with small blades on planes starting this thursday. it would have been the first time they would have been back on passenger planes since september 11th, 2001. >>> new york city at it again. it may become the biggest city in america to raise the legal age for buying cigarettes to 21. the city already opposes the highest cigarette taxes in the country. it also bans smoking in bars, parks and beaches while launching graphic advertising campaigns about the hazards of smoking. smokers of retailers say those restrictions are nannyish and bad for business. it aims at stopping young people from developing a habit that is the leading causes of death. they say the measure would drive younger smokers to neighboring communities t. hearing on the proposal set for may 2nd. i have a funny feeling joe and mika will have more to say about that story. the folk singer guitars who opened the woodstock festival in 1969 died on monday. ♪ sometimes i feel like i'm in time. >>
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the sequester was never intended to become law. it was put together to try to force things into people. there's got to be. >> are we going to see reaction on capitol hill? republicans going to try to pass something specific to faa? >> does this mean they are going to try to do a every time there is a problem? >> or do you try to do the big piece? >> i have to go to shameless plugs. >> 50th anniversary for the lawyers committee. go to the website. >> we have to build a workforce. 50% of the governors out there in their state of the union addresses talk about education. >> it's a great study. i know what you are talking about. my republican polling partner did a great analysis of the state of the state education. >> it is not glamorous but essential. >> pete williams. >> here it is. that is the way to look at it. that's it for this edition of "the daily run down" we know there is potentially intriguing breaking news. tomorrow we will talk to congressman mike mccall just hours after he received a top secret briefing. >>> and taking a
the sequester was never intended to become law. it was put together to try to force things into people. there's got to be. >> are we going to see reaction on capitol hill? republicans going to try to pass something specific to faa? >> does this mean they are going to try to do a every time there is a problem? >> or do you try to do the big piece? >> i have to go to shameless plugs. >> 50th anniversary for the lawyers committee. go to the website. >> we have...
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. >> the events in boston, facing a likely defeat of new gun laws. david grer goir join me now. david, you've been tracking this, kelly has following every in and out of it. echblg joe biden was telling people last night they were two both short. >> even hide camp said she's now not for it. >> it could be just among a small -- the reality is the background checks appear to be going by the wayside as has the magazine back. there are other taemds as a part of this. that would be part of the final package. make no mistakes they are prepared to come on the blasting on this, to make the point that republicans say what repeatedly is a 90% issue. >> and kell, from what you're hearing on the hill, there's no chance they're not going to proceed to these votes. they're goods to go ahead and force the votes even though they know they can't beat the filibuster? >> that is a question we have raised. every person involved says yes, they're going forward with the votes. they want the opportunity to be on record. one of the strategies that was talked about, but ultimately did not come to pass w
. >> the events in boston, facing a likely defeat of new gun laws. david grer goir join me now. david, you've been tracking this, kelly has following every in and out of it. echblg joe biden was telling people last night they were two both short. >> even hide camp said she's now not for it. >> it could be just among a small -- the reality is the background checks appear to be going by the wayside as has the magazine back. there are other taemds as a part of this. that would be...
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it would have been a vast improvement on the current law. nowhere near as strong as i might have preferred or nowhere near as strong as many, including myself, but the point here is that we need a bipartisan vote. there should be nothing democrat or republican about supporting gun safety, and i think the brunt of it may well fall on republicans. >> very quickly, senator, what should be done next? it seems to me if the current package is voted through, everybody gets to say they did something, and in some ways that's the most perverse result, or do you think what's left in the package is salvageable or meaningful enough you want to see that passed out of the senate? >> this bill is coming back, chris, there's no running away from it, and the connecticut effect that the nra hope would dissipate, it said so specifically is not going away. so, i think a strengthened bill and some measure of bipartisan compromise is still very much reachable. remember, four and a half months ago this issue was thought to be politically untouchable. now we came ve
it would have been a vast improvement on the current law. nowhere near as strong as i might have preferred or nowhere near as strong as many, including myself, but the point here is that we need a bipartisan vote. there should be nothing democrat or republican about supporting gun safety, and i think the brunt of it may well fall on republicans. >> very quickly, senator, what should be done next? it seems to me if the current package is voted through, everybody gets to say they did...
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he's a law-abiding citizen. we're not going after law-abiding citizens. as the chief suggested, background checks is to target persons who are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms. that's who we're going after. and to, you know, have these people talk to us and look us in the eye and say, well, what about the 2%? well, what about, you know, how long it takes to have a background check? what about how inconvenient it is to have a background check? i find that hog wash. americans have spoken up. they want a background check on all gun buyers. we're going to make it happen. you know, these senators are out of touch and they're not listening and i think some of their staff have treated the family members, you know, uncaring and it's unacceptable. >> chief flynn, just speaking to that point, and to the nra talking points, the nra is actually running a new ad that says, most police don't want background checks and that they don't think they work. which is obviously based on a completely unscientific sir vain and it's a completely false set of facts wh
he's a law-abiding citizen. we're not going after law-abiding citizens. as the chief suggested, background checks is to target persons who are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms. that's who we're going after. and to, you know, have these people talk to us and look us in the eye and say, well, what about the 2%? well, what about, you know, how long it takes to have a background check? what about how inconvenient it is to have a background check? i find that hog wash. americans have...
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my stepfather practiced law in these two towns where these men carried these things out. it is horrible and hard for us. i feel that jihadists want to us blame all muslims. pizza religious war. but there is a responsibility. american muslims need to come out more. these people in louisville hold open houses in their mosques so people can see what they do and it is not so shrouded in mystery. more broadly speaking, when we look at the middle east, people see chaos. >> which you've tried to explain in beyond war. you look through the arab spring and you take it country by country. there are big differences in the way tonig way they see them. >> there is this epic struggle for power and for control between conservative muslims. some of them are very violent and more liberal secular ones. and frankly, we need to do a better job of seeing that, what's happening. it is not chaos. this is a very real power struggle and figure out how can we help those moderates. we are less dependent on energy from the middle east. the chinese economy will depend on that oil from the middle east
my stepfather practiced law in these two towns where these men carried these things out. it is horrible and hard for us. i feel that jihadists want to us blame all muslims. pizza religious war. but there is a responsibility. american muslims need to come out more. these people in louisville hold open houses in their mosques so people can see what they do and it is not so shrouded in mystery. more broadly speaking, when we look at the middle east, people see chaos. >> which you've tried to...
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bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i think most cities would react this way. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. davis just stepped on the story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police transaction. they left the water board in the clo closet. this was shoe leather detectives and relying on the public. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footage from fenway in terms of the way people are celebrating. not just with relief but saying thank you. we're so looking forward to reading what you write about this. thank you for being out there. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong lov
bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i think most cities would react this way. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. davis just stepped on the story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police transaction. they left the water board in the clo closet. this was shoe leather detectives...
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enforcement and local law enforcement. in the 1993 world trade center bombing because that was really a federal facility, the federal government got involved but immediately almost had a fistfight between fbi and atf. so now what you've got it looks like a good working relationship between president obama and governor deval patrick has allowed a very smooth handoff from the boston police to the fbi. in watching just the press conferences so far, they've been sending the right signals of having a joint communicative working relationship. and that's critical to having an effective investigation. >> you and i were talking before about lockerbie, how you could determine through finding little particles of machinery that this was perhaps done by a certain kind of detonator. how far along are we? we already know now it was something to do with a circuit board. what does that tell you? >> they're saying they found a circuit board. how big of a piece, we don't know. remember in another case, it was about the size of your thumbnail
enforcement and local law enforcement. in the 1993 world trade center bombing because that was really a federal facility, the federal government got involved but immediately almost had a fistfight between fbi and atf. so now what you've got it looks like a good working relationship between president obama and governor deval patrick has allowed a very smooth handoff from the boston police to the fbi. in watching just the press conferences so far, they've been sending the right signals of having...
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state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block or some houses you keep seeing on the feed there. they think he's in there. they've set up a heavy perimeter there with the s.w.a.t. and srt teams and doing a methodical search. fact th
state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only...
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good morning, i'm bill karins and this is "way too early," the show that tips our cap to law enforcement and we mark one week since the marathon bombings. monday, april 22nd. >>> the boston bombings impact on the immigration debate as lawmakers move forward with legislation. could the fact that the suspects are foreigners change the focus of the discussion and the impact of the sequester? planning to fly sometime soony why the faa says today is the first day travelers will really feel the effects. >>> we'll get to the latest on the boston investigation in a moment. >>> first developing news overnight in washington state. at least five people were killed by gunfire at an apartment building in a suburb south of seattle. among the dead a suspect who was shot by police officers on the scene. another two bodies found in the parking lot and two more bodies were found inside the building. we'll bring you the updates on this latest gun tragedy as we get them. >>> bells will ring at 2:50 to mark one week since the deadly marathon bombings struck and according to investigators the lone surviving s
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if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively probable cause to believe that somebody may be inclined towards terrorism? and then they are posting jihadist messages. does that allow you to use a higher level of scrutiny on them? i think these are all issues that are going to be developed as we move forward. >> one thing is what we are doing internally and the other is our relationship with foreign governments. there is an indication that u.s. officials wanted to get more information of activities from tamerlan tsarnaev from the russian government but say they never got back to them. >> you have the ru
if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively...
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bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i wouldn't make it bostonians. i think most cities would react this way. i want to say a couple of things. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. and to police commissioner ed davis, both of whom had terrific weeks. from the very first press conference after the bombing where, among other things, ed davis just stepped on the whole story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. went and did that. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police action. there wasn't need for patriot act or warrantless wiretapping or enhanced interrogation techniques. they left the water board in the closet. this was cops being cops. this was grinding forensic work and shoe leather detective work and door-to-door searches and relying on the public and making the public a part of it. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footag
bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i wouldn't make it bostonians. i think most cities would react this way. i want to say a couple of things. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. and to police commissioner ed davis, both of whom had terrific weeks. from the very first press conference after the bombing where, among other things, ed davis just stepped on the whole story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely...
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same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important? >> all of these things is important. the president might have done something like bill clinton did with the comprehensive crime control bill. put together this massive piece of legislation. stuff that conservatives and liberals hated and vice versa. i supported it because it provided a hundred thousand cops, it provided the death penalty restored. liberals supported it because it supplied a lot of money for rehabilitation programs, for improving jails, for cutting down on lengths of stay in jail at times with different kinds of programs. and it
same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important?...
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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled explosion. also right now in southern massachusetts, the campus of umass dartmouth is being evacuated. the school has confirmed someone connected to the bombings is enrolled as a student there. we're trying to clear up those details for you. we know this began last night with reports of gunfire on the m.i.t. campus. police say the man shot and killed 26-year-old sean collier, an m.i.t. police officer, who was just sitting in his cruiser. his broad was riddled with several gunshots. the two men car jacked a mercedes suv at gunpoint. police began a chase while those susp
police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled...
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that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will
that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old....
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that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot to go up there, look in there, see if there's a bomb and if there's not try to look around. if there is a bomb, dismantle the bomb. i would say this doesn't bode well for him surviving because if he's bleeding and he's going to be bleeding after that exchange, he's not probably going to last very long. >> let me play it again for everyone who just missed that. this is quite dramatic. here's the shooting apparently of the suspect. [ gunfire ] >> you know, clint van zandt, we've been through a lot of these and it's like from a n
that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot...
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there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him his rights. then they read him his rights. he kept and he provided very valuable information. we know that the traditional civilian court system founded by the founding fathers can work in this situation. >> let me ask you a couple questions. if the russian government was so concerned about tamerlan as to alert our fbi and our government, and warrant an investigation of him, why are we so sure that dzhokhar is not connected to a cell of some sort back at home that might then make him an enemy combatant and then, two, if he is name an enemy combatant and treated as an everybody me combatant, that does
there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him...
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this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been tremendous liability and panic and risk. by releasing it at 5:00 p.m., it happened when they were asleep. they anticipated that this could happen and it did. they are controlling the city as best they can. i think it was strategic to do it this way. >> they are not stopping the investigation while this is going on. they have been looking carefully at the bomb components and they are trying to use that information to track where the components came from. potentially to lead them to other accomplices that they may be. >> no question about it. examining the and the components allows you to trace back to the manuf
this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been...
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that for the entirety of the law enforcement should be combhited to their efforts. >> court documents contain new details about thursday night's carjacking. the fbi show tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev in cambridge at a gas station where they drove with the owner of the suv they carjacked. one began the carjacking by pointing a gun at the driver and saying, "did you hear about the boston explosion? i did get" the carjacker showed the driver he had bullets in his gun according to fbi and said, "i'm serious." at the shooting in watertown where tamerlan was killed, other explosives were found. a boston police commissioner says that's one reason he thinks the brothers planned other attacks. >> we got to step over some unexploded devices that they threw at the officers and i can only understand from that that they had other targets. they were going other places. >> that's nbc news' pete williams reporting. >>> well, today members of the house will get a top secret briefing on the boston bombings. meanwhile, the head of the senate intelligence committee is demanding the fbi explain why more
that for the entirety of the law enforcement should be combhited to their efforts. >> court documents contain new details about thursday night's carjacking. the fbi show tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev in cambridge at a gas station where they drove with the owner of the suv they carjacked. one began the carjacking by pointing a gun at the driver and saying, "did you hear about the boston explosion? i did get" the carjacker showed the driver he had bullets in his gun according to...
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law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the speer for us, he is going to be remembered unfortunately for this tragedy. we also have a casualty in mbta, richard donahue seriously wounded. >> this i think begins for us with the deaths that occurred right over here on monday. >> i was so struck, this kid t
law enforcement did a good job. hearing from folks on scanners and privately, they knew something -- they knew it was something concrete they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy could have easily been killed and don't think of...
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i can tell you the lockdown turned boston into almost a state of martial law. in the public garden we saw the swan boats were just sitting there. they were floating in the lagoon. nobody was there. they have been a boston tradition for over 130 years. in the boston common there were more s.w.a.t. teams than people. usually that's a place where workers and runners go by the thousands. the freedom trail which is the red brick line that takes children and tourists to historical sites in this city connected to the american revolution, no one was walking the freedom trail. it was a very unusual day. and yet even though people were inconvenienced, even though they were told to stay in their homes, people i talked to as the lockdown went on they all said one thing. they didn't want this suspect to be killed when he was captured. they wanted him to be taken alive because more than anything they want answers as to why those two men did what they did to the city of boston, to the boston marathon and to this country because people don't understand how somebody could leave
i can tell you the lockdown turned boston into almost a state of martial law. in the public garden we saw the swan boats were just sitting there. they were floating in the lagoon. nobody was there. they have been a boston tradition for over 130 years. in the boston common there were more s.w.a.t. teams than people. usually that's a place where workers and runners go by the thousands. the freedom trail which is the red brick line that takes children and tourists to historical sites in this city...
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the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as far as the demand that he be treated as an enemy combatant. that's like, gee, let me get on television and put on a reflex that's a bit premature and also baseless. >> you look at the post-9/11 world and the things that changed in this country, some of them independently, some of them as a matter of congressional action. and i think this will raise some other questions that congress will debate, one of which will have to do with the budget and how in a time when fewer dollars are available and they're making decisions about how they should be apportioned, how
the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as...
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so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great britain and study. you now have seen the paradigm shift that people have been seeinging coming for 30 years now. you started it in china. why in china instead of boston or los angeles? >> i think the economic center of the world is clearly moving to asia. you have the second largest country in the world, china, the third largest, japan. and you can see that the trend is somewhat inexorable. one of the reasons for this in terms of doing a major program is that if china continues growing at double or triple the rate of the western countries and creating 10 million jobs a year, whereas, there is virtually n
so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great...
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law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal another car and our worst case scenario and get out of town. once law enforcement finishes this search of this 20 square block, then they have to regroup and figure out what cars have been stolen in the area that he might have used to get away from, or did we miss him and do we go back again? and, chris, i know we're going into the weekend, but how long do you keep a city like this bottled up and tell everybody to stay inside? >> well, is there any way of tracking besides basically hard target, i mean, just searching block by block, inch by inch, going throug
law enforcement suggests they've been through about 80% of that. we are looking for a needle in a haystack. and look, we know his brother took a lot of hits in the gunfight with law enforcement last night before he was killed. you might suggest that this 19-year-old man we're looking for, he may have been hit, too. so he could have crawled under a building someplace. he could be barricaded inside of a house somewhere by himself, or holding a hostage, or he may, just may have been able to steal...
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one, by a foreign entity, and you have to respect the laws of this land. privacy laws and privileges of certain status individual. he was, in fact, someone who had status. he was documented. he was not a citizen, however. but in our parameters, there are certain guidelines we have to follow. i don't disagree with that. what i would like to see, and this is again in the general domain, is that we make sure that all agencies communicate with each other and if there was information and there was dead silence, a period of lull, a period of nonaction, then i would hope the file could remain open and someone would say, he we tried to get information from russia, at least what is in the public domain now. we try to get information from russia. we haven't heard from them, we will continue to pursue them in spite of any lull in our diplomatic relations. we will continue to work with their law enforcement or intelligence authorities, just to follow up. that is what i call connecting the dots and i want to make it very clear. this does not take away from the very fin
one, by a foreign entity, and you have to respect the laws of this land. privacy laws and privileges of certain status individual. he was, in fact, someone who had status. he was documented. he was not a citizen, however. but in our parameters, there are certain guidelines we have to follow. i don't disagree with that. what i would like to see, and this is again in the general domain, is that we make sure that all agencies communicate with each other and if there was information and there was...
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we already have veggie libel laws, you remember when oprah was sued ten years ago. she made a comment on the air that crashed the beef market. she said she would never eat a hamburger again after learning how beef was produced. and the national cattleman's industry sued her for $10 million and she had to spend $1 million to defend herself. we should know whether it is genetically modified, whether it has additives. if you have personal choice to let the market decide, you need to give people the information they need to make good choices. >> michael, before we let you know, if people are cooking less and watch tv with chefs cooking -- >> isn't that weird. there are more americans watching the food network than cook being for themselves. i think we are intimidated about cooking. one thing i would do is help fem fall ba tobacco cooking. -- i would like to help people fall back into cooking. >> the president dining with the ladies in the senate last night. what they talked about, what they are saying today and of course what they ate. we are back spinning next. we went
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law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume of evidence in the federal complaint, including description of video after the first explosion. "bomber two virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant appears calm. he glances to the east and then calmly, but rapidly, begins moving to the west. away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack. having left it on the ground where he'd been standing. approximately ten seconds later, an explosion occurs." the complaint also contains details from the carjacking victim who says one of the suspects said to him, "did you hear abou
law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume...
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law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say that there was a surveillance tape that shows what apparently is the second suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the man in the hospital, placing the bomb at the second bombing. this is unrelated picture to what i'm talking about now. but this is the person we're talking about. but the surveillance tape was taken at the scene of the second bombing. you may recall that there was a restaurant there called the foreign restaurant. they say a surveillance camera there shows him walking up to the restaurant with his backpack
law. the united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live with us right now. i know you've been reviewing these charges. what's the latest on what you've uncovered? >> it is a fairly interesting sequence of things that the government cites here as evidence. first of all they say...
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law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we don't think of our university police that way normally. >> yeah. he was there, i don't know what the sequence was. still some confusion as to whether the robbery was perpetrated by these guys or not. >> i was told tonight it was not. >> we don't know exactly what happened, but clearly he was the point of the spear last night for us, and he's going to be remembered, unfortunately, for this tragedy. but we also have a casualty among the mbta police department in richard donohue was seriously wounded so -- >> this i think begins for us wi
law enforcement did a good job. we were hearing from folks not only on the scanners but just privately, they knew this was something concrete that they had. >> and we really defined law enforcement in this town this week in a way that isn't often done. it includes the transit police, it includes the m.i.t. police, the harvard police. i went by the harvard campus, harvard cop i know, friend of mine, pulled me over, talked to me. you realize this guy last zplit easily been killed and we...
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do you think this terror attack would put a new heat on lawmakers for tighter gun laws? >> i hope so. it's kind of -- the bombs are a reach from the gun legislation. they did have guns. i don't know if they were illegal or legal. but we are not pollyannas. we know that not every gun violent issue and incident will be stopped by a background check. it certainly will stop some and if you're the one that's going to get the call or prevent from getting the call saying your 9-year-old daughter is at umc and you need to get there right away because she's been murdered, you know, that is powerful. that's powerful. and i used to think the worst thing i could imagine was roxanna and john green holding the lifeless body of their 9-year-old. but there's something worse and those not being able to hold the lifeless body of your child. and that's what the newtown people had to experience. and i think our senators and our representatives need to take a serious look at how damaging gun violence is. in the body and in the mind. it's just unacceptable. we're a smart people, we should be
do you think this terror attack would put a new heat on lawmakers for tighter gun laws? >> i hope so. it's kind of -- the bombs are a reach from the gun legislation. they did have guns. i don't know if they were illegal or legal. but we are not pollyannas. we know that not every gun violent issue and incident will be stopped by a background check. it certainly will stop some and if you're the one that's going to get the call or prevent from getting the call saying your 9-year-old daughter...
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law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started yesterday? >> i agree with everything clint said and if i was commanding the tactical operation and trying to negotiate with the guy and the major talka thon. the negotiators really do want him to come out on his own. there is humanity here. we want him to surrounder. he is the guy with the information. we talked to roger about the community and all that information. he is exactly right. i agree with them. for the instant scene, you just have to get that information from him. >> thank you so much there for your perspective. james cavanaugh and kerry sanders has been watching
law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started...
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he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the surviving suspect here, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is in hospital. tamerlan born in kyrgystan, comes in 2002. he becomes a u.s. citizen, 9/11/2012. he was a wrestler, enrolled at the university of massachusetts-dartmouth. so many friends talking so positively about him. tamerlan, his older brother, does that travel. he comes later than his younger brother. he was mayrried, had a 3-year-od daughter. had a domestic violence incident. he dropped out of community colle college. he was a competitive boxer. people speaking very
he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical...
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that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, they know -- they know it's naggy that anything could happen. yesterday they assistant with you, they support you, and they have the courage to encourage you. to do what you do. so i want to thank not only sean's family for their willingness to support their brother, their son, taking on this work, but all of your husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and children, we owe you so much more than just honoring you on days of grief and celebration. there's a line from an english poet keats. he said -- they also serve who only stand and wait. your famil
that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father,...
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it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked him where is the loaded gun. he had a gun with him. they couldn't find it. and for public safety reasons, they needed to find the loaded weapon quickly. and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all wit
it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked...
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law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too. when asked just last week in the midst of the aftermath of the boston bombing, with the images and videos of the horror there, the top of everyone's mind, which worries you more, the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism. more people answered they are more worried about the government going too far. today is the first day of a big, important test for us as a country. a test of whether we will as a socie
law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. this is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go. and when it comes to united states citizens, it is against the law to try them in military commissions. >> and it matters that the white house is treating the idea of holding an american citizen outside of the american legal system as what it is, which is crazy and unacceptable. and it matters that appears to be where americans stand on the issue too....